how much more burden would we put on already weak economy? david: steve, will republicans cave on the issue of tax rate increases. will they agree with the president and his folks to raise ttx rates? >> the rank-and-file that talk to want to hold fast on that and say, no we're not going to do it. you want to push the economy off the cliff, you're the chief executive. you're supposed to be bringing people together. and put, throw the ball back in his court. david: you think no deal? >> boehner might be willing to do a deal. the rank-and-file wants to hold fast and stick to principle which is rare in washington. david: what is your feeling? do you think we'll go off the cliff? >> i think it will go right to the end. if boehner and senator mcconnell do not cave, i think we'll kick the can down the road. for once that will be a good thing rather than a bad thing. david: steve forbes, forbes media chairman. >> good to see you, david. david: liz, over to you. liz: they're doing it in churches and cafeteria, ready for a workout. "inc." magazine name